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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt;">I’ve wanted to bring this up before but never got around to it.<span>&nbsp; </span>But, I just received one of these vague requests and I wanted to post for input from my fellow practicing land surveyors. </p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt;">Here’s the scoop: on August 20, 2013 we prepared an ALTA survey of a retail tract in south Georgia, for a client in Florida.<span>&nbsp; </span>Client’s attorney just sent email with pdf of our 2013 ALTA with this request : <i>“See attached you have done in 2013. <span></span>We need this exact survey certified to” </i>(Bank XYZ).<span>&nbsp; </span>The lender we certified to in 2013 is bank ABC.<span>&nbsp; </span>What I presume, as is usually the case, is that they are refinancing while rates are down and bank XYZ just wants a new date and their name on it.<span>&nbsp; </span>Sounds simple enough, right?</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt;">What I’ve learned is that attorneys pay NO ATTENTION to any disclaimer that we have such as “name change only, not recertified” or “revision of 2018 is office only, boundary and site conditions are not recertified”.<span>&nbsp; </span>We’ve done things like this for years.<span>&nbsp; </span>But in the last year or two I’ve noticed that the “name change” plats are being referred to as an “update” or even “resurvey”.<span>&nbsp; </span>In drilling down a little more, I see that our statute of limitation statute gives us end of exposure to civil damages if filed after <b>“more than six years from the date of the survey or plat”</b> (OCGA 9-3-30.2).<span>&nbsp; </span>So, regardless of what disclaimers we are putting on there, we are essentially doing a full re-issue and 6 year extension of our liability window whenever we put a new date on a plat for any reason.<span>&nbsp; </span>As one attorney told me when I asked him to look at it: “the law doesn’t say which date is applicable, so any of them are.<span>&nbsp; </span>If I’m filing the suit, I definitely choose the newest one, and leave it up to you to prove that I used the wrong date.<span>&nbsp; </span>If the law doesn’t spell it out, your attorney probably doesn’t argue it, you have no foundation.<span>&nbsp; </span>The newer date prevails and your liability is 6 years from that date”.</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt;">Hopefully this is useful information to the practicing land surveyor.<span>&nbsp; </span>So, does anyone else run across these type situations or think about this?<span>&nbsp; </span></p>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font size="4"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>I have been involved with the production of only 4 or 5 ALTA surveys in my life and the last of those was a good many years ago.<span>&nbsp; </span>Speaking generally, as a surveyor I have been confused by some plats (not necessarily ALTA) that have certain essential and required information stated, as if it is factual and based on the work the surveyor performed, and on another part of the plat there is a note that states, in essence, the information may not be correct or that the surveyor did not do the work to verify it (without explicitly stating the information may or may not be correct).<span>&nbsp; </span>Another thing is surveyors sometimes label information and disclaimers on their plats so cryptically that even I as a surveyor am nonplused as to the meaning.<span>&nbsp; </span>If this is the case, how can an attorney or layperson know the meaning?</span></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font style="font-family: Times New Roman;" size="4"><span style="color: black;"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Back to the specific topic of ALTA surveys, obviously it can cause confusion, especially&nbsp;for non-surveyors, if the date is changed without updating the courthouse research and field work, no matter what additional qualifications or disclaimers are put on the plat.<span>&nbsp; </span>I WOULD NOT DO IT.<span>&nbsp; </span>I would not do it, both to protect myself from liability and to protect anyone who might rely on the plat.<span>&nbsp; </span>As for changing the name of the lending institution, I don’t see a problem with that except the surveyor is taking on additional liability by having certified to the previous lending institution and now to the current one.<span>&nbsp; </span>I think I would be willing to change the name of the lending institution on the plat, but charge for the work plus a surcharge to pay for e&amp;o for the extra liability incurred; even if, based on the date left on the plat, the statute of limitations seems to have run on my liability.<span>&nbsp; </span>And I would put a note on the plat clearly stating that the plat was originally certified in the name of “Bank ABC”, that name has been taken off, and the name “Bank XYZ” is substituted “at the request of [name, address, and phone number of the attorney].”&nbsp; I don't think I would list a date anywhere on the plat for this change because some might construe it to mean the survey has been updated.</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font style="font-family: Times New Roman;" size="4"><span style="color: black;"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>To use the example in your post, Mark, the certification on the “revised” ALTA plat might read:</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font style="font-family: Times New Roman;" size="4"><span style="color: black;">This is to certify that this map or plat and the survey on which it is based were made in accordance with the 2011 Minimum Standard Detail Requirements for ALTA/ACSM Land Title Surveys, jointly established and adopted by ALTA and NSPS.... <span></span>The field work was completed on August 20, 2013.<span>&nbsp; </span>Date of Plat or Map: August 20, 2013....<span>&nbsp; This plat represents the condition of this property as it was on August 20, 2013.&nbsp; </span>No representation is made regarding any changes in the title to the property, or any physical characteristics on the ground of the property, or anything that might be disclosed by a survey of the property,&nbsp;that have occurred or may have occurred after August 20, 2013.</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font style="font-family: Times New Roman;" size="4"><span style="color: black;"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>The attorney almost certainly certified the title to this property in 2013.<span>&nbsp; </span>If he/she persists in wanting the name and date changed on the plat without doing additional courthouse and field work, ask him or her if they would be willing to change the name and update the date on their 2013 title certification without updating the title research in the courthouse?<span>&nbsp; </span>Ask them if they would be willing to take a copy of the 2013 security deed, change the name of the lending institution as grantee, update the date on that document, and procure a refinance based on it, without updating the title research in the courthouse?<span>&nbsp; </span>Ask the title insurance company if they would go along with any of this (the ALTA plat “revised” as to name and date, the title certification “revised” as to name and date, or the security deed “revised” as to name and date, without any additional courthouse research or field work performed)?</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt;"><font class="RadEDomMouseOver" style="font-family: Times New Roman;" size="4"><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;An additional precaution that might be taken is to get a signed release from Bank ABC for any liability for the survey if the name on the plat is changed to Bank XYZ.&nbsp;</span></span></span></font></p>
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<description><![CDATA[I'll weigh in on this one too,  I've been asked to just "change the date" many times and I have always insisted that we do a full field update with new title opinion and adjoiner research, which might cost almost as much as the original.  I've never had an attorney to refuse to allow me to do this.  I simply tell them that our rules do not allow us to just change the date, that we must truly update the entire survey, especially if it is an ALTA.  Most of the time changes have been made to ALTA rules since the original was done anyway so we must make the required changes or additions.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Farris, thanks for that.  I had already planned on not changing the date, just the bank name, but wasn't comfortable with a way to somehow address the change in banks and cover my rear.  Reason being, bank XYZ was not in the picture in 2013, so for their name to show up would cast doubt on what was done and when, should any issues ever arise.  Addressing bank XYZ with a full explanation is a great idea (your note: "To Bank XYZ:").  <br /><br />Two points of follow up:<br /><br />1. I asked the attorney whether a change in name only with no date change was okay back when I posted this, and told him that if he needed a new date we'd need to go down and properly "update" the survey.  He never has got back to me yet.  Presumption: realizing that changing name only didn't get them a "current" survey date, he just dropped it and never intended to pay for it anyway.<br /><br />2. You give too much credit to title insurance companies.  Apparently in the last 5 years they have all lost at least 90% of their people who had knowledge, understanding, and morals.  They seem to hardly care, even when there is a claim.  We do a lot of claim work for several title insurance companies in a broad multi-state area.  A heavy majority are not due to survey error but sloppy closing attorneys and title agents.  I've seen some really remarkably horrible stuff that has cost title companies thousands and even hundreds of thousands.  Some of the claims counsel attorneys have confidentially shared with me that it is sickening to them too, but that HQ deems it an acceptable cost of doing business, even when some closing attorneys write a disproportionate amount of bad policies that result in claims.  It's all business, just like when they quit requiring "loan surveys".  They just want to collect that title insurance premium (today).  Claims and pay-outs make up a budget line that HQ has deemed to be an acceptable "cost of doing business", and as long as their annual totals are under that, it was a good year.]]></description>
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